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  New Anti Gay Cartoon Video not available in German

  by Daniel1555 in

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  the lesson 22 video or better called anti gay video went viral.. there is another thread that main dutch media covered it in their articles.. i wanted to write to one of the biggest swiss newspapers about it.

  that newspaper also covered the controversy about the "meeting" cartoon, where the message is made that if jw children don't listen at the meetings they might get killed finally.. then i realized that it is not available in german.. it is available in so many other languages, like guarani (never heard of that language), but german is missing.. are they afraid to offer it in german?

  do they expect too much controversy in germany?.

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  Gorbatchov, alles goed? ;-)

  Indeed Dutch JW tend(ed) to be somewhat independent from headquarters. Apparently in some cases directions from HQ were put aside saying 'that won't work here'. Some examples I know of:

  • In earlier years, most convention delegates would be housed in private homes with worldy people. Not in NL, contrary HQ instructions. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2007004#h=27
  • No more food and drinks at big meetings: in NL we continued to serve just coffee and tea for some years, longer than any other country. Reason: not providing coffee and tea is inhospitable and won't work here. If I remember correctly they still have coffee and tea at circuit meetings.
  • Donating by debit/credit card was introduced at large meetings. Then after 1 or 2 years suddenly no more. Apparently they failed to ask HQ for permission? And then a letter was received that it pleased the holy spirit and the seven goats to get their money wired in after all.
  • Those living in kingdom hall appartments had to pay rent. Afaik unheard of in other countries, and contrary instructions?

  
  

  And the regular dubs are similar, not following every rule very strictly.
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  JW anti-gay children movie viral in Netherlands national media + official reaction of JW spokesman Branch office

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  various dutch (netherlands) media mentioned the anti-gay children movie on jw.org,.

  and gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual organizations are shocked, and some gay people.

  are reporting the movie to the local police.. the official spokesman of the dutch branch office in emmen declared that the movie is.

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  ...and then, in the next scene they conveniently left out, when the kid asks how to get to Paradise, she'll hear something like 'obey the 7 dwarfs, don't marry a woman'.

  Imagine a rusty old van with no plates near a playground. A shady looking guy offers candy to some little kids. "There's more candy at my place!" he says.

  He did nothing wrong, right? No need to be outraged even when we know he's a registered offender?

  We all know how that JW indoctrinimation would continue.
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  New Anti Gay Cartoon Video not available in German

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the lesson 22 video or better called anti gay video went viral.. there is another thread that main dutch media covered it in their articles.. i wanted to write to one of the biggest swiss newspapers about it.

  that newspaper also covered the controversy about the "meeting" cartoon, where the message is made that if jw children don't listen at the meetings they might get killed finally.. then i realized that it is not available in german.. it is available in so many other languages, like guarani (never heard of that language), but german is missing.. are they afraid to offer it in german?

  do they expect too much controversy in germany?.

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  They probably see already the mistake they made, translating it into dutch.

  Well, isn't translating anything in Dutch a mistake by definition? :-p ;-)

  Apparently when Russell visited the Netherlands he basically said 'these people are stubborn. The truth will never be accepted here. Let's get the hell out.'

  (I'm still looking for a source for that quote btw, possibly a yearbook. Let me know if you know the source...)
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  Confronting the elders with doubts

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have already posted how i outed to an elder.... the only results were that another elder mentioned to me: "i heard you have doubts about the truth will you meet with us and clear it up... i also had doubts... i fixed them i can help.

  " laughing inwardly i said sure.. oh i'm going to slaughter this moron.

  when he asks my doubts i will show him the chromosome #2 video with ken miller.

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  Human instinct has some important preprogrammed objectives:

  • Self preservation
  • Avoid pain and injury

  Those are active for both our physical and mental states.

  So guess what happens when an elder living in a comfy mental oblivion is attacked with facts that inflict pain and injury to his oblivious mental paradise? He deflects, denies, retaliates and runs for the hills.

  Most of us here have been there with elders or friends and family. Most common result is denial and anger. Angry friends shun. Angry elders disfellowship.

  There are some secretly recorded judicial committee hearings on YouTube. Even when evidence is presented. There is only one thing that counts: obey Watchtower. Elders are trained to enforce that, and their handbook states:

  Deliberately spreading teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses: (Acts 21:21, ftn.; 2 John 7, 9, 10) Any with sincere doubts should be helped. Firm, loving counsel should be given. (2 Tim. 2:16-19, 23-26; Jude 22, 23) If one obstinately is speaking about or deliberately spreading false teachings, this may be or may lead to apostasy. If there is no response after a first and a second admonition, a judicial committee should be formed.—Titus 3:10, 11; w89 10/1 p. 19; w86 4/1 pp. 30-31; w86 3/15 p. 15.

  I really hope for you that you can reach your friends' minds....but cult indoctrination is very strong :-(

  
  

  
  
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  So can you pray for others that are not JW's ? Or only JW's

  by tor1500 in

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  2. friends

  i'm a witness, so i need to know...can we pray for someone that isn't a jw.

  reason i ask, once a friend of mine was going for an operation.

  i asked an elder could he pray with her before she goes into the hospital.

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  I'm a witness, so I need to know...can we pray for someone that isn't a JW

  Isn't that the core problem of Jehovah's Witnesses? Almost all of them need rules and regulations for everthing in life, for every fart they let rip.

  • Can I accept this job?
  • Can I use a tablet during a meeting?
  • Can sisters wear nice pants in field service?
  • Can brothers grow beards?
  • Can brothers leave their tie or jacket at home?
  • Can I pray for non-JW/ex-JW/stray dogs?
  • Can I accept this medical treatment?

  Almost all JW can't think about these things for themselves.

  The ones that do (and maybe deviate from the common accepted standard), will be looked down upon as spiritual weak.

  I realize that this situation has been created by JW leaders, who have inserted themselves into every aspect of JW's lives and decisions. Only when they have no clue, or fear legal repercussions they allow individuals to use their own brain and conscience.

  Reminds me of....what were those religious leaders in the Gospels called again?
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  JW anti-gay children movie viral in Netherlands national media + official reaction of JW spokesman Branch office

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  various dutch (netherlands) media mentioned the anti-gay children movie on jw.org,.

  and gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual organizations are shocked, and some gay people.

  are reporting the movie to the local police.. the official spokesman of the dutch branch office in emmen declared that the movie is.

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  "Primarily for internal use".... funny guy that Michel van Hilten.

  • All the JW.org signs on each jw building
  • Every ragazine points to more (bullshit) on that site
  • A worldwide campaign to point as many people as possible to the website
  • Publishers are encouraged to use the kiddie videos with children of their bible studies
  • Etc.

  So how could this possibly be intended for 'internal use'?

  Unless of course he meant that this website is to be shoved up the GB's behind...that would be internal use that makes sense :-D
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  Parking Passes

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  looks like they've been busted on the sales of parking passes at the rc.. this year, there is no fixed price (canada)..

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  See the first post of this thread for some more behind the scenes info.

  Imagine Watchtower paying $2 per parking spot, then suggesting $5 to the publishers, "which is the normal cost for parking at this venue".

  
  

  Possibly the venue in Canada made sure WT doesn't make money on their parking lot by prohibiting them from asking a fixed donation amount.
  
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  Parking Passes

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  looks like they've been busted on the sales of parking passes at the rc.. this year, there is no fixed price (canada)..

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  It's interesting btw: they (normally) do suggest an amount pp for the parking lot, but not for the building.

  Apparently whatever donations pp could be suggested (rental cost divided by expected visitors) is way lower than current donations pp during a convention. Yeah, conventions are money making events for Watchtower.
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  Parking Passes

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  looks like they've been busted on the sales of parking passes at the rc.. this year, there is no fixed price (canada)..

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  Normally when visiting a convention or exposition at a large venue or fairgrounds, visitors will have to pay for parking. This is extra revenue for the owner of the building.

  Watchtower normally rents the venue including the parking lot. Then the congregations are informed of this, and an amount of donations per pub is suggested to recover the cost of the parking lot.

  Watchtower states as a reason that it's much more efficient when not all visitors to the convention have to buy parking tickets, and that's true: at most worldy conventions, visitors don't all arrive and leave at the same time, but spread out over the whole day. Ticket vending machine capacity is fit for that, but not for all JW leaving at the same time. Result: traffic jams which the God of peace and order doesn't like. Hence the inclusion of the parking lot in the building rent agreement (but they may also make some money from this arrangement)

  
  

  Apparently this year in Canada they either couldn't or wouldn't include the parking lot in the venue rental agreement. Or they did, but they didn't suggest to the publishers a fixed donation amount for the parking.
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  New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

  by ttdtt in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

  disgusting!.

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  @JWleaks: awesome! Lol!